In anticipation of his new piece 'this house is not a home,' debuting next month at Abrons Art Center, the artist NileHarris sat down with his friend CHBAF for a refreshingly candid conversation about outsider art, wigs, and cultural capital 🎈
HARRIS: Our work is all about failure. We practice failure.HARRIS: Yes, that’s what the bounce house is about, failure. And me and Trevor [Bazile, a friend and collaborator] really dreamed about the bounce house. This became a joke between us. It was a subversion of the Capitol.BARNEY: Oh, I thought you meant white supremacy.BARNEY: Is Interview mag a part of white supremacy? What do you think, Andy Warhol?BARNEY: Yeah. What do you think? He had Basquiat. So he did gay Black guys.
HARRIS: The three of us met in 2021, but I met Trevor in high school. We grew up in different neighborhoods, but we went to an arts high school in Miami that you had to audition to get into. And Trevor auditioned for jazz. He was a jazz saxophonist, and I was in the theater department.HARRIS: We used to party in the same circles in high school and we had a similar friend group. But we weren’t that close then. It wasn’t until he wanted to make a movie about Charles Mingus, the jazz musician.
BARNEY: He kept reposting my videos, and I thought it was a white kid in a fucking basement. Loser, trash. And he’s like, “I’m behind it.” I’m like, “Oh my god.”BARNEY: You know what inspired me about both of you? You guys were so young and took over these sophisticated corporate spaces.
BARNEY: No. You’re very supportive. But you probably want clout. That’s okay. I also want to be exploited. I remember I would go up to white people and be like, “Can you exploit me please?” That’s how I got my old editor. HARRIS: I code-switch a lot less these days. I’m trying to work really hard on that, showing up in all these spaces as I am. No matter what space, you get the same Nile. But you were talking about that the other day, about feeling angry and acting on it because life is too complicated to not; why not? And I don’t really give myself space to be angry.
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