'But we’re not supposed to attend Virgil’s funeral, we just aren’t supposed to.' Multidisciplinary artists Theaster Gates and Arhur Jafa discuss art making and mourning their heroes in this intimate conversation.
GATES: How are you doing?GATES: I’m in Chicago today, but I’m going back to New York tonight.JAFA: Is there anything you want to say before we get going?
JAFA: Exactly. I remember saying to Greg [Tate], “What’s the word for this?” That was beyond generosity, that was something else. I felt a little bit like a fellow traveler even though I didn’t necessarily know the terrain. You took me under your wing. It was a really incredible way to enter what I think has been a continually developing exchange of ideas and affirmation. Because a lot of it is affirmation, too.
bell hooks on my mind, Greg [Tate] on my mind. Loss was happening around us while gains were also present. I just thought, “How could I take a moment to account for the losses through the things that my friends left us?” Soa little bit about how we deify our loved ones, how they become minor deities in the altar of the pantheon of deities. They were not interested in the sermon even though they used the sermonic structure to talk about politics.
GATES: One of the things I have to grapple with myself and with the show is that one could feel a tremendous amount of anxiety about how to show up in New York. And I decided that rather than showing up with some kind of bombasticism or a show to defeat all shows, what I would do instead is demonstrate that I actually have my own emotional vulnerability. And that vulnerability is actually the most productive place to begin my artistic journey.
GATES: If we operate inside of these frames that insist on purity, then we end up in these sort of internalized binary oppositions that make us disconnect from our actual selves. I have to get a basketball analogy in there. It’s just like, we didn’t invent basketball, but we created it. We didn’t invent the saxophone, but we created it. It is a kind of fugitivity. It is a kind of ongoing anarchy.at this moment.
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