It was a royal summit on Tuesday as the Duchess of Sussex—and current Princess of Podcasting—and the Queen of Christmas (trademark pending) met for a new episode of Meghan Markle’s 'Archetypes.'
, which is probably why Markle brought in the only combination of guest and topic that could do it: Mariah Carey, talking about “the duality of diva.”. That her delivery of those thoughts is so effervescent—fizzing with personality and humor, but also researched and even emotional—manages to make an otherwise charisma-challenged podcast an electrifying blast to listen to.
“I’ve been stuck on this one for a while, because somewhere along the way—and I can’t quite place where—this word ‘diva,’ that actually means ‘goddess’ in Latin, the word just warped,” Markle says at the top of the episode. “It went from high class to high maintenance. From fun, like ‘yes diva’ to ‘ugh, she’s such a diva.’ Today it is so often used to tear a woman down, and it bothers me.”
The great thing about this format is that it showcases how seriously Carey takes the questions she’s asked, and how important it is for her, as hard as she worked to cultivate a certain kind of celebrity persona, to be honest and considerate about where she came from. She and Markle bond over their experiences growing up mixed race, how it shaped their identities, and how the public’s perception of them changed according to their surroundings and level of fame.
Her relationship to the word, it seems, has changed as often as its connotation. “Because to me it’s so overused now,” she says. “Like, it’s become, ‘She’s the Cupcake Diva!’ I think they use it as a throwaway adjective.
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